Adaptive and anti-scheme casino generations

Coin_8, 22.01.2014 18:13
Coin_8
The casino controls the game to its taste: if it wants, it gives money, if it wants, it takes it away, and if it wants, it lets you play a clean RNG for a dozen spins

Becoming a winning player (unless you are an avatar of some casino PR manager) is quite difficult, but possible.
The secret is simple.

1) You need to study the system thoroughly.
"Can the experience of a fisherman who has studied the sea, fish and their habits for many years... and now returns home with a catch in any weather be called Luck?"

2) You need to find and exploit system vulnerabilities. Adaptive chess is far from the most difficult thing in the world...
"What one person has invented and made, another can break."
Avax, 09/25/2013 09:54
Avax
What you have seen with your own eyes on the roulette wheel at least once - multiply by 1.5 and wait for a repeat at the most inopportune moment.
ADM13, 09.09.2013 10:19
ADM13
This idea about self-deception, etc. is nothing more than a consequence of the player's disappointment in his attempts to find a winning strategy. 99% lack persistence and time to conduct deep research and create a base of adequate conclusions.

From recent examples (unpublished pages of Coin's Book):

A man, in 8 hours of play (!) lost $6,500, then in 15 minutes (!) returned these $6,500 and another $500 on top.
These 15 minutes (given by the adaptive) will become fatal in his life, because the memory of them, of the fact that you can step on the gas to the fullest, will forever close the logical hemisphere of the brain.

Two days later we met the same player at the same roulette table.
The result was minus $10,000 and the man was going to go for more money to finally finish off the roulette.
"The main thing is not to go down and stand your ground! She can't help but give back what I've already shoved into her!!!" This is the classic slogan of a future bankrupt. This is how people lose their apartments, cars and lives.

Avax, 08/30/2013 05:25
Avax
west:
Based on personal experience, I agree that all so-called "systems" are essentially self-deception, roulette can please with any game tactics, provided the game is short-term, there is a reserve of money, luck and, naturally, the relative honesty of the establishment. Although when playing in real casinos in the 90s, I saw even more "miracles" (this is on the topic of 10 times red and in the same spirit). My unobtrusive opinion is that any tactics are good only when intuition is included (as funny as it may sound).
Avax, 19.08.2013 05:29
Avax
Kalbob:
It's about time for at least some kind of win, because lately I've gone sooooo far into the minus that I think the incident with the TESTER will be a child's play. That's true. Although, I must admit, it was the lack of self-control and stopcocks that led to this.
ADM13, 17.07.2013 15:48
ADM13
However, we do not observe the necessary rise in the trend line in the long period.

It is obvious that there are huge waves of RNG, within which certain collisions and distortions are observed. With the correct adjustment, plus is observed in the period of 20-40 games, then when the wave changes, the algorithm stalls.
Sumiala, 26.06.2013 18:23
Sumiala
Coin said it beautifully:

"Although in this particular case 500-463 = 37 chips * 0.5 = $18.5 and it went to the result of +$380
I have encountered this often too.
Let's say the strategy requires 300 chips, but the transition to a new scale of play is no longer secured by credit...
Then you can split the existing, say, 100 chips into two more approaches (preferably with a change of strategy) in the hope that the game will go well from the start.
But this is only in critical situations.
There are cases when players get going with just a couple of tokens..."

I'll sign up
Coin_8, 10.04.2013 20:08
Coin_8

And then let everyone figure it out for themselves. Either I'm talking nonsense, or there's some grain in my thoughts.

there is no grain in your thoughts.

There are no strong or weak players in roulette.
Some play low-variance games (chances, huyansy and faience), while others play high-variance games.
take any player in a high-variance game, and he increased his deposit by 50 times and 150 times, BUT! the deposit is only 10-30$, and Kalbob starts the game with a bigger start, deposit + bonus + dick and also increases it by the same amount, BUT the starting position was bigger, that's where such big wins come from.
I'm not saying that Kalbob is just an average player, no, he's lucky, but not like what people think and write about him. And he plays riskily, not like most people.
how do most people play?! with the increase of their deposit they stretch the length of the progression, and Kalbob leaves the length of the progression the same, but increases the bet, hence it follows that in a short period of time his deposit increases many times.

Much is true, but impatience is the ruin! Well, then fill up a week at 10 USD, the next week at 20 USD per day, the next week at 30, the next at 40, etc. Not long ago I held out for a week at rates from 0.01-0.25. So I got from 30 to 1200, and then immediately 2-3 tables, quickly to 1780... and almost instantly lost everything!!! I switched early, and then I simply could not stand such nudism.

I was passing by

1) in roulette there ARE strong and weak
example A: like Petya who plays his whole life on a scale of $10 deposits with chips at $0.01
will be able to play similarly on a scale of $1000 deposit with $10 chips????
can't = weak player

example B: like Dima, who raised a maximum of +100$ in the last year (and then lost it)
won't stop on the rise +300$ with a very favorable position of the stars???
stop, although fate could have given him +5000 = weak player

examples B-Z: think of it yourself

2) high dispersion games (Avdos' description) give x100 but so rarely that by the time this x100 happens it no longer plays any role. It's good if it covers current losses.

And the fact that the starting platform started not with $10 but with $1000 just shows how much adrenaline the guy got and how many nerves he spent... Isn't that right, Kalbob?

3) What is "inebriate"?
haste? No, it doesn't ruin. As it should, it speeds up the outcome. Everyone knows: "In short!!! Either YES!! Or NO!!!" and boom for three moves, all that 5 hours were typing.
Kalbob suggests filling the month, so that later it will still be three moves...(conditionally)

Maximum impatience, this is the entire deposit in one go on one number and fire!
Minimal impatience, these are not chances, dicks... but minimal tricks - with feeling, with sense, with arrangement...

The golden mean is in the middle. Only the balance of both components gives those same x100 x500 not so rarely, when it no longer matters...

Hi all,
Coin
Coin_8, 12.11.2012 10:20
Coin_8
"Nature is unable to produce stable symmetrical architecture"

The presence of stable symmetrical combinations of spins is the main criterion for a player to enter the adaptive trap zone.
Coin_8, 10/30/2012 20:43
Coin_8
Here is the ideal tactic for SUM BET TOURNAMENTS

History: - 3 - 24 - 11 - 35 - 10 - 0 - 3 - 2 - 21 - 16 - 36 - 26 - 35 - 32 - 28 - 17 - 18 - 8 - 11 - 20 - 22 - 29 - 13 - 36 - 29 - 0 - 20 - 15 - 13 - 32 - 35 - 5 - 17 - 19 - 34 - 4 - 19 - 15 - 35 - 14 - 13 - 13 - 25 - 36 - 9 - 29 - 19 - 24 - 29 - 27 - 33 - 16 - 19 - 34 - 12 - 31 - 24 - 22 - 1 - 0 - 35 - 19 - 24 - 32 - 28 - 21 - 36 - 14 - 31 - 16 - 35 - 6 - 4 - 16 - 4 - 32 - 15 - 4 - 4 - 9 - 22 - 20 - 12 - 35 - 7 - 21 - 0 - 0 - 5 - 9 - 6 - 36 - 8 - 36 - 9 - 30 - 0
Credit: -12 -12 -12 -12 -12 +36 -12 -12 -12 -12 -12 +36 -12 -12 -12 +36 -12 -12 -12 -12 +36 -12 +36 -12 +36 -12 -12 -12 +36 -12 -12 -12 -12 +36 -12 +36 -12 -12 +36 -12 -12 -12 -12 +36 -12 +36 -12 -12 +36 -12 -12 -12 -12 +36 -12 -12 -12 -12 -12 -12 -12 +36 -12 -12 -12 -12 -12 -12 -12 +36 -12 -12 +36 -12 -12 -12 -12 -12 -12 -12 +36 -12 -12 -12 +36 -12 -12 +36 -12 +36 -12 +36 -12 -12 -12 +36 -12 -12 +36 -12 -12 -12 -12 -12 +36 -12 +36 -12 -12 +36 -12 -12 -12 +36 -12 +36 -12 -12 -12 +36 -12 +36 -12 +36
Start: 750 Min: 606 Max: 798 Finish: 798
Total spins: 97 Bets: $0.2 Finish: 798

BR 200 chips and the wild-12s drove across the field, 1 chip at a time.
The game could have also gone up, but in this case, it almost went down
The balance is standing still (of course there is a risk of getting into a pick, but it is small), it is easy to calculate that in this piece of the game for 1-2 hours with chips of 1$ 92*12 = 1104$ are placed

This is usually the entry into the prize pool.
Five such games and the first three, where the prizes are usually from +$200 to +$500, which is quite comparable.
Mira, 24.10.2012 18:41
Mira
And who can guarantee that the next game under the old system will not be a plus?
Or does Avdos know that changing strategy will 100% not result in 5-6 games in a row of failures?
Hunter, 18.10.2012 13:38
Hunter
as Avdos says, there is no adaptivity, your systems are stupid.
To paraphrase - apply correctly and everything will be fine
Hunter, 18.10.2012 13:35
Hunter
catch losses and wait for them to end? what's the point? maybe it's easier to change the algorithm after each successful cycle?
example. RA program - playing any system, and there are plenty of them, leads to loss. Changing the system after winning or turning off the losing one with doubling the stakes and playing a similar system but a little differently leads to victory. why not apply? the pool has more than enough systems, any adaptive can be broken
Coin_8, 18.10.2012 13:19
Coin_8
Order price steps.
Optimally - 3 levels, the cheapest one on the edge, to catch chains of losses.

0.10 - 0.20 - 0.01

Avax gave a good reason. For any reason, if stable losses started, we will feed cheap orders to the losing streak. The main work is done on 1-2 games of each cycle.
Hunter, 10/18/2012 10:59
Hunter
These 20 lines turned out to be the MOST valuable.

to effectively roll out a set of strategies like "chameleon", it is still necessary to increase the size of the game potential.

Why not turn the attempt of a failing ramp into a full jump? This requires experimentation, not limited to 300-500 chips.
Everyone has noticed that the higher the bet/deposit ratio, the more wicked the adaptive one. Experimenting with endless candy wrappers, we will not see its true reaction. We need to go to a higher betting level and search there. Otherwise, the bot simply has no room to turn the strategy around. Perhaps it is worth moving from 4-6 steps to 10-15, into which you can shove a surprise for a sneaky trickster. Let's try 3000 chips?
Avax, 10/18/2012 09:08
Avax
It is very easy to write a small program that throws over the static bets of a player. It is scary to imagine how many players have lost money because of the extra 20 lines of program code inserted by casinos into their "RNG".
Coin_8, 10/17/2012 9:55 PM
Coin_8
When there is a springboard attempt in 30 spins, it's good!
ADM13, 16.10.2012 07:22
ADM13
Axiom (proven in practice): any statics in bets are easily killed by an adaptive casino.

Static bets are easily tracked in the game and the casino freely manipulates the results of the spins.

The only option for using static bets is only series of CC. At the beginning, we form a series of CC of maximum length, and only then we select a group of numbers that will be under long-term siege.
Coin_8, 04.10.2012 21:51
Coin_8
Axiom "We are waiting for MO".
The wider the betting field, the later Mo will come into the game.

Conclusion: the shorter the sessions, the better.
Avax, 09/29/2012 07:20
Avax
The bot currently uses an interesting technique.
There are 500 chips to start with. This is the money that the miner allocated for the game.
If the loan goes up, then the stop loss grows after it, but if the loan goes back down to the initial chips, the stop loss becomes 100?
Hunter, 09/17/2012 18:52
Hunter
should work in plctech, but haven't tried, need a clear bot version
Hunter, 09/17/2012 18:50
Hunter
in general, yes. there is an idea, a beautiful and daring idea. but not fully tested, success in alphas, betvoyager, admiral, bestsoft-play?
InquisitorEA, 09/08/2012 13:12
InquisitorEA
All the strategies that we used during the year of work were based on some mathematical theories and mathematical conclusions. In their bare form, these strategies were unprofitable, which is natural. With the help of, again, mathematical tools, we accelerated the potential of the strategies to a positive value. We observed this on the pool machines.

We encountered problems:

1) It is not possible to use mathematical tools to increase the efficiency of strategies to a level that can at least bring the pool to zero, satisfying the accepted condition of "profit in half, 100% compensation".

2) The casino has a tool that underestimates the effectiveness of any strategy based on mathematics. Yes, I am talking about the adaptive one, you can't beat it with mathematics.

At the moment I see two possible solutions to both problems:

1) Apply neural networks. In short, make an adaptive one on the player's side and pit them against each other. The smarter one will win. This is long, and we will most likely not have time to reveal the potential of this topic.

2) Make an imitation of a professional player's game. Include in the algorithm the techniques of professional players that they successfully use online. As a special case, make a virtual Coin.
Avax, 03.09.2012 13:51
Avax
Coin once said that good players first slowly build up their pluses, and only then do they get bigger.

In Women's Logic 2 we see the wrong approach. The first step is almost half a credit straight away. And it must be said that in most cases it is somehow a losing one.

Coin_8, 20.06.2012 20:57
Coin_8
If someone thinks that a block of 10 numbers cannot NOT FALL OUT in, for example, 50 moves - relax.
Questions 2
1) how often does this happen
2) how long do you need to wait for the entry point into such a game for the cycle to be positive.

So, these two parameters are very closely interconnected.

For example:
We wait for 40 non-drops of a block of 10 numbers, then we start betting based on the calculation of the next 10 spins.

The game entry situation will occur 1p in 5000-6000 spins,
and then for every 1 winning game there will be 5-6 losing ones.

and the fact that you will be pulling the extreme (50-60-70-100) will only lead to a proportional increase in the number of spins to start the game.

AND THE WIN/LOSS BALANCE WILL REMAIN UNCHANGED



And it’s not about -MO, but about the SECRET OF ROULETTE.
Hunter, 14.06.2012 12:07
Hunter
then to the question of filters. so. the bot plays a progression above 60-70 spins. on this section cold numbers have already been defined. in the background it is necessary to collect and by the loss of their neighbors. all the same complete HUNTERS. this is a set of about 15-20 numbers. if you do not try to hammer in all neighbors at once, as it was in one of the versions of the bot, then we see that these neighbors fall with enviable constancy. and therefore some of the neighbors can be quite squeezed into the basic LOTUS strategy. and vice versa, if we consider the LOTUS strategy and the loss of numbers, then this connection will again be visible, all the same combinations regularly fall out. the connection should be quite obvious, the main thing is not to anger frankly adaptive with this type of complete. we get a merger of 2 strategies, having conducted the appropriate research we come to the desired result. PS. Women's logic is based on the complete HUNTERS. These are the same table neighbors +/-1. And again, if we rely only on them, we get adaptive. Diluting the complete with "warm numbers according to LOTUS" we get a very efficient version. Changing the proportion of complete and LOTUS, we get the desired "spinner" with a protuberance of pseudo-uncertainty.
Coin_8, 14.06.2012 09:57
Coin_8
Clarification on EXCLUSION FILTERS.
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1) Filters are applied NOT TO BETS ALREADY INVENTED, BUT TO THE ROULETTE WHEEL BEFORE bets are created.

The rules for paying out winnings are balanced so that on a wheel of 0-36 the casino player gets -MO = -2.7%.

Therefore, when you play with a 37-number wheel, what you filter is an already formed betting array - this is just accelerating the dispersion, but does not touch -MO.

2) I repeat, our goal is to get a wheel with not 37 numbers, but, for example, 25. And to conduct all betting calculations in relation to it. Then, in the case of good filters, -MO will appear much less often.
Hunter, 13.06.2012 23:24
Hunter
yes yes, I also paid attention to this, called it thermocomplete. to align the general temperature scale of the rate level with the temperature spectrum on the table. It is only necessary to determine the correct proportion of heat/cold distribution for the moments when peaks of heating and cold appear. I checked the ratio of 1/3 on each of the axes. So, this is incorrect. It is quite possible 50% warm, 20% cold and 30% hot. We need to look. By the way, 100% in warm plays hard. The experiment was from 3 to 9 numbers.
But the experiments with 3 random numbers are very indicative. While the experiment is still in the working stage, I don't know, the adaptive is being reconfigured after a long game in temperature (in the end, the adaptive was configured, after about 3000 spins and the drain began) what the result will be, time will tell.
ADM13, 12.06.2012 19:16
ADM13
Interesting observations from thousands of experiments.

When we consider the betting numbers according to the hot and cold principle, after some (arbitrary) series of spins the temperature of the numbers is divided into 3 categories:
1) heat extremes
2) cold extremes
3) average

So here is the classic mistake of 99% of players - choosing something from extreme temperatures for the next bet!!!

In fact, as soon as extremes emerge, the nature of chance begins to work precisely with the middle class - rapidly warming up some and sharply cooling others.

This creates a new picture of temperature distribution (balance of forces) among the rooms.
Coin_8, 09.06.2012 17:01
Coin_8
It is no secret that good strategies narrow the betting field as much as possible.
To do this, additional EXCLUSION FILTERS are applied to the resulting calculated variant of bet numbers.

An example of one of the filters:

1) divide all numbers into subsets:
0-10-20-30
1-11-21-31
2-12-22-32
etc.

2) Let's look at the last two numbers that came up
3) if these numbers are from the same subset, then we can safely exclude the continuation of the same subset from the numbers of the planned bet.

... 1, 11 (we exclude all that end in 1)
... 2, 2 (we exclude all that end in 2)

Exclusion ideas arise from observations and analysis of sets of statistics.
Coin_8, 21.05.2012 19:17
Coin_8
If the game lasts less than 20 minutes, the casino does not have the right to VIEW the game analytics and draw any conclusions about it.

in the West, perhaps...
Coin_8, 21.05.2012 19:15
Coin_8
Why multi-hour battles for x2x3 when Alyosha with +20+30 chips rolled out +3000 dollars???

It is better and more convenient when there are a LOT of games, the game goes FAST, the result +30+40 from a 100 deposit allows you to normally break into the mountain.
Coin_8, 21.05.2012 19:13
Coin_8
Overseas, a new player receives a high level of goodwill from the establishment IN ADVANCE.
...
Each completed withdrawal order reduces the PAY-OUT of the account.
...
And the general PAY-OUT of the account affects all local ones (in different games).
Coin_8, 10.05.2012 10:52
Coin_8
1) The admin counted by sessions, which resulted in a total +.
But -50% winnings for the miner were too much for Feller/AntiFeller.
2) For a more complete explanation of REVERSE, see the discussion about LOKSHMI FISH.
InquisitorEA, 05/05/2012 05:47
InquisitorEA
Why was the Feller-AntiFeller strategy in the negative overall using inversion?
Coin_8, 05.05.2012 05:37
Coin_8
"Trigger coup" - an example has already been used in practice: Feller-AntiFeller.

1) The point is that if the loan starts to fall below a certain level, this is a sign (trigger) that there are more LOSSes than WINs.

2) This trigger includes the INVERSION OF BETS. That is, the algorithm counts as before, but at the output a list of numbers is formed for the current bet VERSUS.

3) If the loan has dropped again, then this is a trigger that you need to return to the normal payment scheme.

and so on until STOP-LOSS or STOP-WIN is triggered.
Coin_8, 05.05.2012 05:32
Coin_8
Pressure position: wins and losses are grouped into waves.
Coin_8, 18.04.2012 07:24
Coin_8
I especially liked the wording of paragraph 2.
Hunter, 14.04.2012 09:46
Hunter
a very important conclusion that I made.
1. To attack you need many systems at once, at least three.
2. The size of the bets on the systems should change, i.e. we do not load one system until a victorious drain, but transfer the entire power of the accumulated bet to another system.
3. The systems must use different methods of selecting numbers. One in the cold, the second among the warm and the third in the hot.
4. my conclusions are similar to the conclusions of other players, so we correctly understood the beginning of the story. it's time to conduct an experiment to test our assumptions - a bot playing exclusively in dynamics and specifically with trigger flips, it is important to determine the trigger levels.
Hunter, 14.04.2012 09:39
Hunter
I haven't tried random numbers, but XOOMAX uses exactly this variation with the help of offsets. And quite successfully.
I'm trying pseudo-random, namely, changing bets if 1 number played, thanks to COINy for the tip. But unlike the above example, I use the start of the game with 3 numbers with the deployment of the attack to 9 numbers + moving the largest bet. And so far it worked. Trying the game without moving the bet led to a drain. But I have a link to statistics, and it has never failed in choosing numbers, the progression and static bets were lame.
Coin_8, 12.04.2012 20:21
Coin_8
If you use a TRANSPARENT strategy, for example, you have set your sights on certain numbers and are going to the victorious... end, then you have NO CHANCE to break into the plus in PRINCIPLE.
Coin_8, 12.04.2012 09:17
Coin_8
"Random bets on numbers do not create collisions. At least, I have not observed any."

"But if these bets are made according to some system, then the adaptive will still catch this system."

1) Collisions come in many forms, and depend on the player's "focus" on certain game situations - the more extensive the analysis of what is happening, the more "random patterns" are revealed (C)

For example: "35-18-34-10-12-25-1-13" is a good collision for a track,
and when we constantly put number 4: "30-8-22-2-21-5-32-1-27-7-" a good collision for the field.

2) Neural networks are a very serious level (with elements of artificial intelligence), I think that most casinos use weaker mechanisms.
Coin_8, 12.04.2012 09:05
Coin_8
Different casinos connect and manage the game differently.
Adaptive is like a chess program. For some it is in its rudimentary/primitive state, for others it is an international level grandmaster.

"Random bets on the field, but without progression, put the adaptive in a dead end and it starts stamping out obvious distortions in the backs!"

Random = unsystematic = chaotic.

For medium/high level adaptive:
1) The casino tries to catch (understand) the patterns of bets and cannot.
2) Typical templates (spin collisions) for the field and track are launched in a fan. These templates are designed for players of different levels. The simplest ones are: single-color stripes, repetitions, etc. More complex ones are: field zone exclusions, "neighbor" fences, etc. Even more complex ones are related to the track/series/neighbors. That is, by demonstrating obvious distortions, there are "nudges" to make the choice obvious.
3) If these game situations that provoke the player do not include template triggers, then the adaptive is disabled and the game enters a pure RNG.
4) The casino hopes for -2.7 and watches how events develop.

5) If the player has reached the point where it is "painful" to pay out the winnings, "Omega" is activated:
a) there may be a session disconnect.
b) a reason may be found in the casino rules that makes it possible to refuse payment or block the account.
c) the CC may completely “disappear”, and the spins will stupidly go past the player’s bets.
d) the MD5 collision database can be used (for one signature - several options). This point is not proven, but probable.
d) e) f)...
Filippych, 12.04.2012 05:17
Filippych
"Random bets on the field, but without progression, put the adaptive in a dead end and it starts stamping out obvious distortions in the backs!"
Not exactly. Distortions, or otherwise, collisions are formed with external bets. Streets, sixlines, more-less. I have not checked for columns. Random bets on numbers do not form collisions. At least, I have not observed. But if these bets are made according to some system, then the adaptive will still catch this system. But this will take time. I have not tried one number, but when filling from 3 to 6 numbers, the adaptive training period is about 36 to 110 spins. With external bets, it does not exceed 36 spins.
These considerations are in good agreement with the adaptive model as a self-learning multilayer neural network. Collisions are formed during the training period and are caused, as it seems to me, by the solution search program falling into local traps. At the end of the training period, collisions are no longer observed. However, it is quite possible that the assumption about modeling the adaptive neural network is incorrect. But it is quite plausible.
Click, 10.04.2012 22:40
Click
Random bets on the field, but without progression, put the adaptive in a dead end and it begins to stamp out obvious distortions in the backs!
Coin_8, 09.04.2012 19:06
Coin_8
Flat static bets (without progression) raise the level of favor the casino has towards you.
* * *
No claim to a sharp increase in credit? Why not show a chain of wins?
Coin_8, 09.04.2012 18:56
Coin_8
Static bets (on hold) make the casino adapt to life.
* * *
They are easily identified by the program, easily calculated and easily manipulated - the casino can allow you to win, or it can plunge you into the abyss of loss.

Coin_8, 08.11.2014 20:41
Coin_8
A bedtime story...

The essence of his game was in the postulate: "Roulette can't throw 200-300 spins without 6-k and 9-k (6,16,26,9,19,29)". It's too much of a blunder for an adaptive one.
Accordingly, all his research was reduced to the static build-up of these centers. When an-plen ran into limits, splits were connected, then coners and sixes... Life slipped wonderful cold zones, to which he responded with ever larger start BRs.

For the last six months he played with a deposit of 20,000 UAH. The dynamics looked something like this: 20-15-10-18-14-21-15-9-18-23
Hurray! After 3 hours of fighting he took off +3000 UAH and praised himself, how cool he was. Very rarely there was +10000 UAH, and sometimes -10000 UAH.

Everything was fine until the moment when the casino decided it was time to put the pedal to the metal. He came many times, but everything changed! 20 thousand deposits - lost. Need to win back, scraped together 2-3 thousand from them to 10,000 rise and to zero. After 15-20 attempts (!) with the same outcome, he disappeared... people say that it seems like he didn't hang himself...

P.S. A lesson to the good fellows!



Coin_8, 20.03.2013 20:08
Coin_8
1. Land roulette is different from online.

On a real roulette wheel there is a physical connection between the numbers, due to their mutual arrangement on the wheel track and the physics of the spins.
That is, when 7 falls, we consider it next to 28-29, etc.
That is, “sectoral” thinking is formed and memory, analysis and forecasting are sharpened for it.

There is no (!) connection between numbers online. All these models are forcibly transferred from earthly life.
That is, if 7 fell, then it is CORRECT to consider that it is next to 0-36 (ALL except 7).


Coin_8, 20.03.2013 20:03
Coin_8
Let's sweep away the cobwebs and sum up the year's results.
Coin_8, 22.01.2013 10:08
Coin_8
I reread Filippych again (he hasn’t posted for a long time).
The admin has been throwing out a line on the topic of the "virtual Coin" strategy for six months now.
I try to look at myself from the outside during the game to describe the order of my thoughts. It is practically impossible - game situations change and the game is adjusted as it goes along.
Analogy - our strategy checking machines. There is a minus. Looked at a couple of sessions, adjusted the algorithm settings, up to 10 sessions there is a successful game, then again a stable drain. Looked again - adjusted and everything repeats.

Natural adaptive
Coin_8, 18.04.2012 07:26
Coin_8
Comments in "Example of a game against an adaptive".
Filippych, 04/14/2012 10:05 PM
Filippych
Coin_8, 01/16/2012 21:58 wrote:
"Here is the seed. Several systems that will play according to the developing situation (signs of attack), that is, triggers. And in addition, BR management. That is, an analysis of the probabilities that if we do not win according to one system, then the second, third, fourth will be able to return the BR to its place.
All this is quite difficult to code (almost like adaptive casino). It is not possible to track it manually on paper. BUT IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO IT PROGRAMMICALLY!!!
This is the only way to win a game with negative MO. Changing tactics depending on the situation and assessing the losses incurred to win them back with other systems."
The difficulties that arise along this path are shown by me using the example of a game described in the album "Example of a game against an adaptive". I can't imagine how all this can be algorithmized.
Mira, 11.04.2012 10:02
Mira
Super bots are a dream!!!
Coin_8, 16.01.2012 11:58
Coin_8
AsianHawk wrote:
Here is the seed. Several systems that will play according to the developing situation (signs of attack), that is, triggers. And in addition, BR management. That is, an analysis of the probabilities that if we do not win according to one system, then the second, third, fourth will be able to return the BR to its place.
All this is quite difficult to code (almost like adaptive casino). It is not possible to track it manually on paper. BUT IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO IT PROGRAMMICALLY!!!
This is the only way to win a game with negative MO. Changing tactics depending on the situation and assessing the losses incurred to win them back with other systems.
And even more so, you shouldn’t wave flags in front of the casino about your developments in this direction.
Coin_8, 16.01.2012 11:56
Coin_8
helperroullet2 wrote:
Inkassator: this idea is called super-bot - you give it a task: to increase the deposit by 2 times (of course, money in accounts, casinos are defined), the super-bot itself launches casinos, plays, analyzes - the game is going - plays, something is marking time - exit and switching to another casino, played for an hour or two, switching again + of course changing systems, tactics and strategies according to the situation in each. Upon completion of the task - a letter to e-mail or SMS.
To Fastkom: this is a dream!
Coin_8, 16.01.2012 11:55
Coin_8
Cash collector wrote:
"The Achilles heel" of all bots is that they run into peaks and drain the bank. Sagittarius has played enough with them. There is no need to follow the path of Sniper, Assault and Bot-pro. What is needed is an intelligent bot that plays in several casinos at the same time and tracks the overall bankroll.
Here's an example. We start deposits of $100 in 10 kazyavs. At the first stage, we set up the bot so that it can increase the deposit by 10% in each kazyav using the most gentle and safe scheme. That's it. After that, our common deposit is already insured. Then we turn on a more profitable and aggressive algorithm. And we fry it until a sufficient rise or until one of the kazyavs is completely drained. This is a signal to stop the game and withdraw deposits. The remaining amount of deposits should turn out well. Then the next cycle. Something like this. This is the method of climbers who go to the top in a group. One person, without insurance, cannot do such an ascent.

It's not the first year that we've been fighting for victory over roulette in the long run. We couldn't take it online by storm, now we're carefully studying all the nuances and options.

It is OVERALL that shows the degree of success achieved. While it is minus, the site is a platform for exchanging experience for experienced roulette players. We recommend that new miners join our work only when everything starts working, then the site becomes a guaranteed source of income for everyone who needs money.

The casino pays for everything.

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ADM13, 20.04.2016 09:34
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The pool of miners is seen as a control center for financial flows, coordinating one big game against all casinos, divided into many hands.

E pluribus unum


FoxDuhovny, 20.04.2016 00:03
FoxSpiritual
We are going to cooperate with all casinos on the Internet, namely: with those who provide CC for analysis, with those who have one algorithm for fun and real modes, with those who quickly withdraw winnings, with those who have more than one project and several ... I am a newbie here on the site, but I came here purposefully, I was looking for exactly what I found, I believed that there are such friends who have already created what I was only thinking about. It's not about the negative OVERALL, it's about our opponents, if you cross the line of acceptable loss in any business, this is always an emergency for the business, i.e. a reason to draw conclusions and change the situation. In a casino (oddly enough, also a successful and worthy business) there are also acceptable losses - customer winnings! Now you need to understand that each casino has a different percentage of acceptable losses. It is constantly monitored most carefully.
But if we know about it, we can roulette it, also in the description of each site there are withdrawal limits in time frames. based on this, it is necessary to include in the strategy the mode of management of acceptable losses. well, for example, in Crystal the withdrawal limit per day for a regular account is 200 dollars, this means that if you withdraw 600 dollars a week making a deposit of 100 dollars, then no one will pay attention to you, and when on the contrary, it turns out that it leads to a negative Overall. The main thing is to stay within the limits of acceptable losses.
Shpilevoy, 07.04.2016 22:23
Shpilevoy
casinos are big banks
they pour money into it))))))))))

normal casinos take a percentage and give the rest to the players

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the pool needs to learn to systematically cut off the lion's share of what the adaptive casino gives away
so to speak, to help distribute the surplus funds))))))))))

so that it would not be too much of a burden for all our participants
FoxDuhovny, 04/07/2016 22:06
FoxSpiritual
It doesn't matter that you need to win a minus and we will do it. We don't need to win the Casino, we cooperate with them! They offer opportunities, and we use them based on our experience and attitude.
Ole, 14.06.2015 12:40
Ole
2Mira: Thanks, found it. Geometr2 did a great job BOOTing. Too bad there is no history of how the bot was installed.
Mira, 14.06.2015 11:32
Mira
site: $ -8546.16

I look at the Spin Analysis in the bottom menu, there are usually fresh combinations there.
And then on the Theory Check you look at the articles, under the articles it says where the bot plays and what orders
fresh dates.
Ole, 12.06.2015 18:42
Ole
-8556$ however
In recent days, respected Coin has been processing orders, and expensive ones - $1. Because of this, the overall has dropped significantly. Is there a way to somehow understand what strategy the BOT is using in the order and the general statistics - which bot strategy is the most successful? Thank you.
Shpilevoy, 03.02.2015 16:11
Shpilevoy
"By betting on the last number...you can try to catch a triple fallout..."
don't put a direct repeat, but the last number +2 or -12 (any constant offset)
It's better to watch the game if the numbers >50% fall in a bunch, then it's small
if >50% of the shots are across the entire field then the L/R shift is further away
Valery, 02.02.2015 17:31
Valery
I don't get it "Add dynamics wait not for direct repetitions, but for +2 or -12 from the last one that dropped out. Simple? Yes, but effective. Such a simple rule does NOTHING change on a pure RNG and improves the effectiveness in most online casinos by 2 times." Can you give more details...
ADM13, 02.02.2015 08:11
ADM13
Add dynamics wait not for direct repetitions, but for +2 or -12 from the last dropped. Simple? Yes, but effective. Such a simple rule does NOTHING change on a pure RNG and improves the effectiveness in most online casinos by 2 times.

There are a million such nuances in online games. Each casino has its own additional subtleties.
The pool is like a boa constrictor We've had our fill of various large-scale experiments and are now digesting the information and analyzing it.

The only thing we can say for sure is that there is no such concentration of roulette knowledge per square meter anywhere. If CMP does not give birth to the grail, the world will not have another chance.

Victory will be ours!
Valery, 01.02.2015 23:31
Valery
2 MUTUALLY COMPLEMENTARY STRATEGIES. For example, when playing dozens and columns carefully, one of the manifestations of adaptivity is the frequent repetition of the last number, that is, while simultaneously betting on the last number, you can collect crumbs on this, or you can try to catch a triple drop, $ 200 is enough for 2000 spins - attempts. In the demo, 22 dropped out 5 times in a row. I checked it a little, but the results are 3 triple drops out for 600 spins, 0 for 1000, but all 200 basses are intact, due to double drops and small wins on distortions, this is without an additional game, just waiting for a triple drop out!
Valery, 01.02.2015 23:07
Valery
I don’t agree with Hunter... We’re just not looking for a single one (and I’m sure that, like everything in the universe, there’s more than one winner) - we’re all doing our own thing here! Name at least one program written by a person not clumsily, at least one thing done by a person perfectly! There is no such thing... And suddenly clumsy programmers made an ideal, invincible roulette. Let's say for a start that any schoolchild can beat a pure roulette, without a dealer and adaptive. There is no MO either! And the simplest proof of this: if you give any of you $ 100,000 and MAKE A LIMIT OF $ 20,000, then 10 cents every day will be won even for a million years every day, you will always be in the black and MO WILL NEVER COME! (THIS IS NOT A UTOPIA, SUCH TABLES EXIST) Our enemy is adaptive! But what do we know about it? Nothing! Based on my experience: a long bias is not equal to adaptive, it is only one side of adaptive. Also about a single winning one: we ourselves have limited where and how to look for it: fast games, so that the adaptive doesn't have time to adjust, doubling the balance, single bets, because the bot doesn't know how to do it any other way, and there are still a lot of little things and restrictions! I don't know why I wrote all this... Very emotional and very stupid!
Hunter, 01.02.2015 22:20
Hunter
as an option . gradually tighten the adaptive/long wave (the casino took the bait) far enough, and change the strategy, completely forgetting about past expectations and failures.
Hunter, 01.02.2015 21:49
Hunter
given the presence of adaptive, the search for a single winning strategy is an absurd dead end. given the absence of adaptive and the presence of long distortions, we get the same thing. if we assume that adaptive = long distortion - what will change? it is impossible to beat the casino with one strategy

Once you have learned to think in stages and multi-linearly, let's move on to the basic foundations of the game.

It is very important to separate chance from controlled (adaptive) play. It is the adaptive that gives us an advantage and accuracy of forecasts, based on understanding his reactions to the player's actions.

Beginners often cast wide nets of bets, but do not know how to use it wisely. Experienced players, in pursuit of profit, narrow their bets and "chase the ball". These races have many forms and types - from statics to absolute dynamics. But in the end, in most cases, players die.

There was once a story about a man who, during the finals of the deuces, forced the online roulette in one of the computer gaming clubs to close.

This story is very instructive.

I suggest everyone to conduct a simple experiment - in several casinos play 9 to the right of the last dropped number, two stretched neighbors in a smooth progression. You will see that your betting field (8-10 numbers) cannot bring income in the long term.

Why?

Theoretically, 37/9 = 1 time in 4 spins, on average, a win should come. But you will be surprised to find out how the game somehow slips in surprisingly long skews, and not in your favor.

The thing is that adaptive comes into play. And the casino very quickly understands after which zones the strike goes to which zones. These zones simply drop out and the strategy burns out.

"Gentlemen change the rules" - very astutely observed.

Now let's not have us chase the ball, but let the ball try to find empty areas of the field/track.

I suggest you take any RANDOM sequence of numbers 0-37 and move by move fill the entire field except the current center and +/- 5 numbers from it.

You will get a horseshoe jumping around the track/field without 11 numbers. Add progression.

What do we see?

The game has turned upside down - now it's not us trying to understand the casino's logic, but the casino trying to lose the wild empty "dozen" that we leave empty.

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"9 to the right" in skews works up to 4 spins in a row.

If we organize a horseshoe (even without progression) so that the hole is always 9 to the right of the last one that dropped out, then exits for 4 losses in a row more often than once a week will be markers of the presence of an adaptive in the game.

This is the beginning of the journey.

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InquisitorEA, 03.10.2014 08:09
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"I suggest you take any RANDOM sequence of numbers 0-37 and move by move fill the entire field except the current center and +/- 5 numbers from it. ... What do we see?"

Adaptive guesses the numbers of the random number generator and bets not in them = the player guesses the numbers of the random number generator and bets in them. There is nothing useful for the player here.



"...exits for 4 losses in a row more often than once a week will be markers of the presence of adaptive..."

What about deviation from the mean in random sequences? The marker doesn't work.
InquisitorEA, 01.10.2014 19:56
InquisitorEA
Don't expect synchronization of spins, it won't happen at any real distance. We are not the first to come up with this idea.
Shpilevoy, 01.10.2014 13:15
Shpilevoy
tried the synchronization of the arrangements
no way the casino responds the same
ADM13, 30.09.2014 16:00
ADM13
In theory, there should be synchronous rates both there and there.
Then there will be a wave of synchronization of adaptive responses.
This wave needs to be squeezed to the maximum.

This is where research is needed. How often does synchronization occur, who with whom, how long does this state last.
ADM13, 30.09.2014 15:57
ADM13
It is not entirely clear what Shpilevoy means.
Adaptive reacts to betting patterns.

1st - we put 0, 5 falls
2nd - we bet 5, 13 falls
1st - we bet 13, 9 falls
2nd - we bet 9 falls...

Completely different rates and, accordingly, no synchronization of adaptive responses.
Shpilevoy, 30.09.2014 05:03
Shpilevoy
Simultaneous play!
this is cool
so in correspondence chess
with two world grandmasters
People who don't really understand chess won!

I'll start trying
betvoyager cross with pharaoh

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and the idea with two playtechs is better
you just have to enter them one by one

in one enter the rate (zone), spin and wait for the answer
and in the other one put a zone around the answer from the first one
then this zone from the second becomes a bet for the first
and so on in a circle
the idea is clear.........

and if the adaptives are the same, then the answers will often coincide!
InquisitorEA, 09/30/2014 02:05
InquisitorEA
Adaptive is not tied to the casino, but to the software. It works on the Playtech server.
InquisitorEA, 09/30/2014 02:04
InquisitorEA
No way. It's the same.
Hunter, 09/30/2014 00:34
Hunter
take 2 playtechs from one owner on one engine and see how adaptive will beat itself
InquisitorEA, 09.29.2014 08:12
InquisitorEA
The idea is good!

As true gentlemen, let's look a little deeper.

In theory, a head-on collision of two adaptors would give an advantage if we gave the sequence of the smartest of them to the less intelligent adaptors. At the same time, the sequence of the smartest must necessarily be formed every spin, based on the reaction of the other. How should it look? Let's imagine that Betvoyager is the smartest. We bet on any number in it. We spin. The number that comes up in Betvoyager is the betting number in Pharaoh. We bet on it in Pharaoh and spin. The number that comes up in Pharaoh is the betting number in Betvoyager. We bet on it in Betvoyager and spin. And so on until the session stops. In this situation, we lose in one casino what we won in another. But if you play with different denominations, then there will be a profit

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What do we do? We take the already formed Betvoyager sequence. By doing this, we lose the processing of the Pharaoh adaptive reaction by the Betvoyager adaptive. It is thanks to this processing that we should (in theory) receive a profit, given that the stronger of the two adaptives plays for us.

Without reaction processing, we get a sequence with built-in biases against the strategy we played in this casino. There is no certainty that these biases can bring profit, since for every collision there is a counter-collision.

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Let's imagine the second case, when "our" or "not our" casino (or both) switched to RNG mode. Then we get the same -2.7% over the long distance.

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Now, forget about this theory and let's just try it

P.S. My guess is that -2.7% will remain with us as it is.
According to the example below: win = 55, loss = 23. We bet on 26 numbers out of 37.
(23 + 55)/23 = 3.39
37/(37 - 26) = 3.36
Shpilevoy, 09/29/2014 07:54
Shpilevoy
You can't really push the progression of 26 numbers )))
ADM13, 09/29/2014 03:45
ADM13
In this case, progression is on our side.
And the casino has nothing but a stupid adaptive system + random RNG + disconnects.
ADM13, 09/29/2014 03:33
ADM13
15 - 23 - 15 - 23 - 23 - 2 - 32 - 23 - 17 - 9 - 24 - 33 - 26 - 8 - 8 - 27 - 36 - 35 - 30 - 8 - 14 - 3 - 24 - 35 - 24 - 11 - 13 - 26 - 35 - 0 - 21 - 6 - 3 - 3 - 11 - 11 - 17 - 36 - 31 - 11 - 12 - 20 - 16 - 20 - 6 - 28 - 26 - 34 - 8 - 13 - 18 - 14 - 12 - 2 - 13 - 4 - 17 - 0 - 2 - 19 - 35 - 11 - 20 - 17 - 13 - 31 - 4 - 23 - 33 - 26 - 26 - 20 - 16 - 33 - 28 - 24 - 4 - 29 - 7 - 22 - 3 - 15 - 31 - 11 - 35 - 9 - 6 - 1 - 8 - 13 - 15 - 32 - 2 - 30 - 2 - 13 - 15 - 32 - 19 - 16 - 30 - 21 - 31 - 24 - 28 - 6 - 29 - 12 - 34 - 29 - 27 - 17 - 5 - 6 - 12 - 7 - 24 - 1 - 7 - 19 - 29 - 26 - 35 - 11 - 4 - 27 - 5 - 9 - 20 - 19 - 30 - 17 - 19 - 0 - 21 - 1 - 28 - 9 - 18 - 6 - 3 - 29 - 2 - 29 - 24 - 12 - 12 - 36 - 10 - 30 - 16 - 24 - 9 - 29 - 9 - 30 - 10 - 17 - 20 - 11 - 23 - 2 - 24 - 14 - 31 - 5 - 1 - 36 - 15 - 12 - 9 - 11 - 19 - 36 - 20 - 34 - 5 - 11 - 31 - 34 - 25 - 31 - 16 - 15 - 32 - 22 - 5 - 30 - 11 - 8 - 18 - 18 - 22 - 34 - 18 - 30 - 9 - 0 -
BetVoyager

20 - 13 - 14 - 33 - 12 - 30 - 32 - 7 - 4 - 23 - 7 - 6 - 25 - 28 - 36 - 16 - 5 - 7 - 28 - 22 - 24 - 15 - 14 - 33 - 2 - 36 - 36 - 17 - 33 - 23 - 19 - 22 - 14 - 36 - 36 - 25 - 2 - 34 - 24 - 10 - 32 - 28 - 15 - 4 - 33 - 27 - 1 - 1 - 14 - 5 - 18 - 28 - 27 - 10 - 10 - 14 - 35 - 8 - 4 - 10 - 9 - 35 - 13 - 23 - 15 - 36 - 20 - 4 - 34 - 16 - 4 - 2 - 5 - 8 - 12 - 26 - 36 - 31 -
Pharaoh

Let's pit Betvoyager and Pharaoh against each other.
Track analysis - we bet the entire track, but on the BV spins we move away from his number +/- 5 neighbors and see whether Pharaoh would have guessed the hole in the bets (L we lost) or not (W we won).
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BV Pharaoh
15 - 20 W
23 - 13 L
15 - 14 W
23 - 33 L
23 - 12 W
2 - 30 W
32 - 32L
23 - 7 W
17 - 4 L
9 - 23 W
24 - 7 W
33 - 6 W
26 - 25 W
8 - 28 W
8 - 36 L
27 - 16 W
36 - 5 W
35 - 7 L
30 - 28 W
8 - 22 W
14 - 24 L
3 - 15 L
24 - 14 L
35 - 33 W
24 - 2 W
11 - 36 L
13 - 36 L
26 - 17 W
35 - 33 W
0 - 23 W
21 - 19 L
6 - 22 W
3 - 14 W
3 - 36 W
11 - 36 L
11 - 25 W
17 - 2 L
36 - 34 L
31 - 24 W
11 - 10 L
12 - 32 L
20 - 28 W
16 - 15 W
20 - 4 W
6 - 33 W
28 - 27 W
26 - 1 W
34 - 1 W
8 - 14 W
13 - 5 W
18 - 18 L
14 - 28 W
12 - 27 W
2 - 10 W
13 - 10 W
4 - 14 W
17 - 35 W
0 - 8 W
2 - 4 L
19 - 10 W
35 - 9 W
11 - 35 W
20 - 13 W
17 - 23 W
13 - 15 W
31 - 36 W
4 - 20 W
23 - 4 W
33 - 34 W
26 - 16 W
26 - 4 L
20 - 2 W
16 - 5 L
33 - 8 W
28 - 12 L
24 - 26 W
4 - 36 W
29 - 31 L

* * *
Conclusions:
a) longest LOSS = 3
b) easy to pass on progression

The web of one casino for another - that's cool! Let them feel like a player who tries to guess a dozen 5-6-7 times in a row.
ADM13, 09/29/2014 00:08
ADM13
So, now the casino will be in the role of the player?
We can use their own spin sets against them.
We need to compare stories in pairs.