We discuss the game modes "FUN" and "REAL" in the casino on the forum

We are often asked questions:

- "Are FAN and REAL modes in casinos the same?"
- "The fact that the pool tests its strategies in the casino's FAN mode may not correspond to REAL games!"
- "Anyone can win on FANTIKs, but in real life everyone loses!"

Most players believe that the FUN mode of playing in a casino is completely different from the real money mode of playing.

Let us present some facts, and you can draw your own conclusions.

1) A player in FAN mode does not change, plays with confident bets, often and takes a lot of risks (this explains the good winnings).

2) FANs are unlimited (at least until recently), you can get them for free an unlimited number of times and make an unlimited number of games and various experiments. The "dolphin" effect works. Thousands lost in 5 minutes are not remembered, and successful moments of sharp rises sit in the head for a long time.

3) Playing for real money is more restrained. Often, where it is necessary to take risks, the player plays it safe and does not receive the profit. Slowly drains the credit in seemingly winning games.

4) The casino declares "The history of the game on FAN is not recorded anywhere". In technical language - no processing in the databases occurs. Then a legitimate counter question arises - why do comments from casino admins flash on forums about how fan games crash casino servers and do not allow players to play peacefully with real money? Moreover, some casinos (Azart Play), hiding behind the fan problem, introduce the purchase of fans for real money! Insanity!

For those who don't know. The casino server with databases is located somewhere in Costa Rica. The player connects to the casino site - gets a client shell (graphics, interfaces, animation, etc.). If the game in FAN mode does not use the databases on the server, then why FORCE THE SERVER to come up with new roulette spins. It is enough to insert a simple random function into the client itself and let the server do its thing.

5) When playing REAL, yes! Spins must be generated by the casino server and sent to the client. This is a protection against hackers who could force the client program to issue winning spins.

6) Why do casinos prohibit multi-accounts? To have a FULL history of games and experiments of a SPECIFIC PLAYER.

7) NEW PLAYERS almost always try FUN mode first. In light of adaptive technologies, when receiving a NEW PLAYER, the casino is interested in showing an INTERESTING game. It will have both losses and gains. Since the GAME CONTROL is on the casino server, the FUN NEXT SPIN will never be inserted into the client.

The practice of games shows the presence of adaptivity (squeezing spins out of static betting zones) both in REAL and FAN modes.

Avax, 07.03.2017 16:58
Avax
Length=30 Series=29, 35, 27, 07, 02, 10, 18, 34, 05, 12, 19, 09, 02, 13, 18, 25, 18, 35, 14, 36, 32, 16, 29, 31, 27, 31, 19, 31, 21, 28 SecureWord=maOsmWQp8K246BVZR8diqr9aJ6RqQWxK

Look at piece 13, 18, 25, 18, 35, 14, 36, 32, 16, 29, 31, 27, 31, 19, 31, 21, 28
And I was just putting the first dozen coincidence? No, I put it before that too.
Andrey, 01.07.2016 08:27
Andrey
"... The practice of games shows the presence of adaptive (squeezing spins out of static betting zones) both in REAL and FUN mode..."

According to my observations, NetEnt adaptive is activated earlier than Playtech, and the values vary approximately 2:1 Playtech activates the adaptive on a larger number of played fun credits compared to NetEnt
Stepan, 06/16/2016 10:18
Stepan
What do you want? If banal Adobereader and Win10 track users, who does what and how they do it. Then a casino with games for money even more so leads you from the start.

Players test new ideas on small stakes or fun. In this way we help to forge the punishing sword of adaptive)
We made sure that the strategy worked, started playing normally and got the full pill.

We need to act more cunningly.
Andrey, 06/15/2016 18:15
Andrey
Good evening.
In addition to the fact that the casino has player statistics, I can add that there is an assumption - not only the casino monitors the player (as an operator), but the software provider on the servers of which the database and game algorithms are located. When playing with NetEnt roulettes, it is noted that when playing in fun mode to check the "next brilliant idea" everything works well (in moderation, of course, after 500 chips the "Black House of the Universe" begins) after that, when switching to real, and not changing the IP address, the miracles do not last so long, then you can see the roulette freeze when you press the spin button. At this point, the game comes, and continues from 4 to 10 spins, then most often falls again into the "black house". Therefore, when playing for candy wrappers, it is better to play on some left IP and so that it does not log in, or at least a left account for checks.
Coin_8, 24.07.2015 19:18
Coin_8
Playing with fairness control series is like being a taster on a conveyor belt.
There are series for you.
There are series against you.
There are episodes with your game interspersed - at the beginning, in the middle, at the end.

And this locomotive is going by - the carriages are of the kch series. The casino groups similar types of carriages, and we build the game on this.
We tried the series, didn't like it, skipped it, and are waiting for the next one.
We tried the next one - it wasn't the same, we missed it.
The pause of expectation dragged on, we opened a couple of series, visually looked at where "your" combinations were buried in it. Within these limits we play at full capacity.
If everything is completely silent, we start to pick at the displacement.

PS It is optimal to set series of 30-50 spins.



ADM13, 24.07.2015 16:02
ADM13
When we last changed the bot algorithm, the first day was full of wins.
It seems that adaptive with statics works in three stages:
1) Selects the player's betting scheme.
2) Fixes the player's scheme. The casino specifically shows frequent wins, looks at who is how greedy, who has what limits.
3) Kills the player's scheme. Full control mode of the game.

Don't play static.

* * *
Now, the obvious solution for the bot is to move the entry point 3-4 spins further. Thus, the casino has moved the winnings and we will move after. There will come a time when further delaying the return will strongly contradict mathematics. A good adaptive takes this into account and tries not to spin fantasy.

Shpilevoy, 19.12.2012 09:58
Shpilevoy
I'm sure that fan is different from real
they have different goals
when a new person wants to get acquainted with the game he plays the fun mode
There is no strict control over the player's credit in this mode
rather, on the contrary, the game demonstrates maximum diversity
if these are slots, then a variety of combinations fall, including bonuses, so that it is clear how things play
and in real money it is not so easy to win the casino because adaptive control of the game and the player's credit is connected

I would also like to propose a simple bot algorithm to the players' union

pool strength in distributed gaming
i.e. many hands but one game

BR = 500 chips
the pool conceived for example the 1st dozen
and the ladder of orders is launched when each player with his starting credit plays the first dozen stupidly with a three-move until the first win

first player
0.01 = 50 past 150 past 300 past
second player
0.05 = 50 past 150 past 300 past
third player
0.25 = 50 past 100 won!!!

then the pool moves to another dozen in that casino and builds a new order ladder

you can add a limitation so that one miner can play only 1 game per day in each casino
then all the games will be shuffled between different people and the casino will not be able to figure it out for a long time

if 100 people all play the same dozen and it doesn't fall as expected, that will be irrefutable proof of adaptivity in a particular casino
Shpilevoy, 19.12.2012 08:48
Shpilevoy
El_Zar (12/18/2012 20:51) wrote:
And I liked playing according to Fibo. You play for candy wrappers and everything is clear - up to the 10th spin your dozen falls out. But as soon as you start playing for money, then immediately series of 15-18 empty dozens/columns. The first time in 10 minutes I lost 19€, the second time I got to the column in which the next, 14th spin would have been a winning one. BUT... alas! -25€.
And I haven't seen this so often on the fans in a month!
CONCLUSION???

Shpilevaya:
It has long been said that betting statics is the best gift for a casino
They will play with you however they want
when you run into the same numbers, the casino will easily include or exclude them from the next series of spins

try playing a dozen
then do a 60 series and after a couple of spins open it up and just see what awaited you ahead

repeat 3 times and make a CONCLUSION!!!

Avdos, as far as I remember, said that in BV there is a constant static play in 4 numbers (0,10,20,30)
What rich experience are we talking about?
static is static even in Africa
if the casino wants to, it will pour in money, but if it wants to, it will drain it
yanking shifts every move is a complete pain in the ass
it turns out to be the same slot
lucky or unlucky this time
no influence on the game from the player
Avax, 22.06.2012 14:22
Avax
I need to try this option
Coin_8, 22.06.2012 12:23
Coin_8
Important clarification -
p.2 of course should be inside the pre-generated CC series
Coin_8, 22.06.2012 12:13
Coin_8
Question from POKЕR.RU

if the existence of adaptive has been proven experimentally, then maybe someone has tried alternating mirror strategies? for example, the first 100 spins we play according to the catch-up system (streets, sixlines or whatever you like), the next 100, on the contrary, we wait for N (streets) to fall out and bet on the remaining ones (knowing that adaptive repetitions will rarely mold in order to merge the previous strategy).
I'm sure that the next step of the adaptive will be the generation of series, where the drain will be on both systems. What to do next, I don't know yet I need to try the theories in practice, I wonder how the Adaptive Vasilyevich friendship will behave , but there is no time for globotekh yet

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How to make 10000 from 1500 using adaptive! :brows:
Anyone can conduct a simple experiment:
1) Play 5-10 games on random bets, avoiding 0,10,20,30
2) Then start 1500 and just bet 25 on auto-repeat exactly on these four numbers in EQUAL BETS.
3) Enjoy the result.

By the time 1500 turns into 10000, the adaptive will find a "cure". And your task is to repeat p.1-p.3 but choose the other 4 numbers as "untouchable".
Fastkom Kukaraevich, 12.05.2012 11:01
Fastkom Kukaraevich
What difference does it make what modes. You're in the minus anyway.
Coin, you haven't answered my request regarding Twist casino. Meanwhile, you're harassing Azartplay casino.

I'll add from myself, yes, fun and real are different things, especially considering that you have unlimited money and you can fool around, but it makes sense to set yourself a challenge to play in fun with a limited bankroll, for example, starting with 10, 20, 30, 50 helps a lot to hone your skills.
I play for fun and for real from different accounts, since I work in the IT field, I understand that collecting data and analyzing your game is a gold mine for the casino.


now about adaptive
Boris had a video game number 7 catch repeats of numbers or (four top on the scoreboard), game number 8 returned everything + the basics of correct BRM
I tested this strategy with real money and this is what happened

series KCh No. 1
1 start
we spin, wait for the top 4 to repeat, after one falls out, we put it + neighbors + street + sixlines
2 spin and deliver what fell in the neighbors' zone
3 win

series KCh No. 2
let's be a little careful since the casino saw our static layouts
1 we move not to the repetitions of the number, but for example to their nearest neighbors and catch them
2 we change the strategy altogether
2 adaptive will throw you direct repetitions of numbers, for example 16-16, 22-22, to reinforce the reflex that if it falls 2 times, it can fall a third and fourth time - no way it will fall for you


3 conclusions with analytics on this strategy
1 adaptive will throw you a bait - don't fall for it
2 those numbers that you pressed freeze on the 2-4th session or will fall out once, and the neighbors can brazenly fall over the side or even 2 sides, or maybe even across the road, either at the beginning or at the very end or in the middle
3 if the strategy for the session gave you an increase in credit, the next series you need to play completely different things
4 adaptive in a casino with CC is responsive only in the next series, so you need to constantly shuffle strategies so that it changes its algorithms for you, such a squeezing out of entire sessions for your desires, here, roughly speaking, you need to use a wave approach

And finally
strangled 24 and 26 - both played with a plus wave +400 to the deposit, after that I left them, but 26th went to the repeat 2 times (it was just a hot spike) and 24th froze and fell right at the end of the 3rd session to the regional 85-90 back and 26th also froze the same way

if you play some strategy with statics, you can check yourself like this
1 played 1 ok
2 started the second then you exit and open the CC and see how the adaptive reacts to your statics but keep in mind that its generation will change only when you play a new game with bets with it, in the naked one it can generate anything for you
3 recently I started playing according to the game itself, not to run into static arrangements, while not giving the adaptive a chance to catch me