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Good day. On October 4, I made a deposit of 2 thousand rubles - I lost everything and left, on October 19, I made a deposit of 2 thousand rubles and won about 100 thousand rubles. To withdraw funds, I uploaded documents and they successfully passed verification in exactly 24 hours. The card is reverse and front, and the passport, respectively. After verification was completed, I wrote in the chat with a question whether verification was passed and whether it was possible to withdraw - to which I received a strange answer - screenshot [IMG]. I played both in X and Fortuna, and withdrew amounts much larger than this - only in X this month I deposited 230 thousand and decided to try a project advertised by many. There is a smell of a scam in the air. I would like to hear an intelligible answer as to why, after passing verification, I am not able to withdraw funds? A strange attitude towards players, like cows that need to be milked exclusively. I wanted to attach my id, but I don't know where it is, support again worked in their style

I will describe the situation as it was for me in this casino.
Played a lot, deposits of average size. Verification 24 hours, plus 24 hours of SB checking the account. Everything is normal, nothing to get tired of. The first withdrawal took about 2 days with all the gadgets. Then the withdrawals flew within an hour. Withdrew a lot and often, plus account. Often raised from the last kopecks, which could not but please. I was happy with everything, but then shit happened.
Another deposit - another increase (and there were withdrawals from almost every deposit) and another withdrawal. But... a couple of hours pass - no money. I cancel the withdrawal - I raise 10 times more. I put it on withdrawal and wait... 4 hours - no money. I cancel again and raise almost twice as much... Here I finally decided to slow down and withdraw... And then the shit happens... I don't have a "withdraw money" button in the cashier. They just fucking removed it! I can't withdraw my winnings! I write in the chat, they explain to me that the Security Service is interested in my game (and this is a bitch in the middle of the night). As soon as they check my verified account, I will be able to withdraw...
Three days of shoving dicks into all the shoveable places. Security Service didn't check anything, but I already understood that they decided to cheat me with the money. I'm a reasonable person, I write in the chat - either withdrawal in an hour or I drain the money and go to hell. Persuasion, sex, but no sooner said than done. The money didn't come, I drained the balance with great pleasure and blocked the account. And then a letter comes to the mail that everything was checked, you can withdraw... FUCKERS!!!!!!!!
Draw your own conclusions, my friend.

Angry Publicly to PlayAttack from the Sufferers!
Greetings to all who read. Guests, Gafakers, and of course PlayAttack Managers! I didn't write in your thread, so that I could somehow highlight the post (I'll publish a link to it in the thread, of course).

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For many, many months I have been trying to get answers to questions that, although not fatal, are still important. So far, the only answers I have received are:
We'll find out
We are working on it
We will forward your question to the techies.


I think that the questions voiced below concern not only me, but 95% of your partners.

There are only 3 questions:
How long will we all continue to wait for the weather to clear and receive vague calculations in the partner tables?
Why was it necessary to replace the promo with Casino Expences (Casino Expenses) - Now we are completely deprived of any context in the stats (Just don't tell me that MGA is to blame - no one will believe it)
Where does such an exorbitant amount of Promo and other casino expenses come from? Why do the lion's share of them lie with affiliates?

Regarding the 3rd question! There are Poshis, for whom everything is strict and clear to everyone regarding the promo! This is Pervodep and Eto Cashback from the 1st to the 3rd of each month! THAT'S IT!!! This and all the promos! At the same time, the Player's Lifespan is exorbitant! Deductions for the promo are minimal! And from the stats, everything is perfectly clear and visible! That any deduction is equal to your RS percentage for the player!

Let me show you more clearly:


Here we see $187 - deposits, $198 NG - That is, it is logical to assume that bonuses worth only $11 were issued - Question: Where did the $81 in casino expenses come from?

Let's move on!



Player makes $2400 deposit today - No, gaming is positive, But for some reason, casino expenses exceed 5 franklins! Result - Player is $79 down - but partner is also $200+ down! WHERE DO THE EXPENSES COME FROM? WHAT ARE THE EXPENSES? HOW TO MAKE MONEY?

Ok, let's move on again...



Here we see... Over the last 7 days. $5551 Deposits! $2711 players withdrew. $1704 were your expenses... I don't know. Probably the players were served black caviar with champagne. The age of high technology... fuck... And as a result, having 5500 deposits and 2700 payments to players, I earned MINUS $190!!!! How the FUCK is that possible?

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I am not your hater, and you know it, I am not impressed by the speeches in your direction from the Portuguese cock-and-bull, I do not look back at the opinion and the break in relations with you of Vitus... I have my own point of view.

You know very well how I feel about you, and how many resources I stood by you, you didn't even think about licenses back then... I also can't reproach you for your attitude towards me, I won't describe everything publicly, well, I think you have written down how much you've done for me. But this doesn't cancel the need to remain partners, and not to be "Masters and Servants"... These same servants still bring you players, profits and all the accompanying goodies! We - partners have the right to receive answers to questions! Moreover, these questions have been voiced to you many times.

P.S.
In some aff chats there is already a real serious seething brewing, and even loyal partners are already burning! Playattack - let's be partners after all, and not just a bunch of balam-balam...

P.S.P.S.
Wiktionary has an article on "partner"
Partner (French partenaire - participant): - in any joint activity. Business companion. (c)PediWikia

Since 20.10.2018, we have had a large-scale system failure. It was expressed, among other things, in zero earnings, which was displayed for all partners in the system since 21.10. We differentiated this failure and fixed it on 22.10. Since 23.10, it became clear that the statistics are still calculated incorrectly. We are working on this problem and very soon everything will be displayed correctly for everyone. We apologize for making you worry.

Against the background of this problem, many people again have questions about calculating the earnings of partners in our affiliate program. With your permission, we will explain how we work in detail and with an example so that everyone has a clear understanding of how earnings are formed.

Everyone who works with us knows that we calculate partners' earnings based on net gaming (NG). There is nothing supernatural about this, since many affiliate programs calculate their affiliates' earnings based on this value. As an example, we can cite the well-known network gigaffiliates.com with their formula for calculating total income:
New Customer real money stakes (-) real money wins (-) 22% administration fee (–) paid bonuses (–) transaction costs & chargebacks (–) applicable gambling taxes and VAT
New Customer real money stakes (-) real money wins and there is netgaming (NG)

We calculate total income in a similar way. Everyone is probably familiar with our formula:
(100% - 15% Royalty) x NG - CE

The result of this calculation is multiplied by the % of the revshare in accordance with the tariff grid, and thus the partner's earnings are calculated.

Let's look at an example:
Player deposit - $1000
Bonus - $500
Player withdrawal - $600
NG - $900
Balance - 0
from NG we calculate the total income using our formula (100% - 15% Royalty) x NG - CE
(100% - 15% Royalty) x 900 = $765
From the product (100% - 15% Royalty)900, which is $765, you need to subtract CE (Casino Expences).

CE was previously called CP, which was not entirely correct, and in the new version of the rules we have corrected this shortcoming by describing in detail what CE consists of.
CE consists of Casino Promo (CP) and Casino Cost (CC).
Our CP per player will be $500
CC include fees for processing systems, support service costs, personal managers and increase as the player moves away in time from the date of his registration at the casino.

There are different attitudes towards including these expenses in the calculation of income, but they are dictated by the current reality. Several years ago, there were other commissions and maintaining the activity of players cost much less.
The commission of processing systems on average is from 3 to 8% for deposit and withdrawal. Let's take for example a 5% commission for deposit and 3.5% for withdrawal. The figures are approximate, but it should be noted that commissions for some payment systems can reach 10%. Everyone knows that we take a small commission for Yad and Qiwi, but these two systems are unpopular and, in general, undesirable and, in addition, this is only part of the commission.

In this example, the commission will be $50 for the deposit, $21 for the withdrawal, that is, $71 in total. Many are accustomed to calculating earnings based on the difference between the deposit and withdrawal. In this example, it will be $400. It is easy to calculate that the processing system commissions of $71 ate up 18% of this difference.

Now about the rest of the casino's expenses. Let's say we have a player who registered 190 days ago. His manager contacted him, offered him a bonus to motivate him to return to the casino, repeatedly reminded him of this, since the player was busy with his own affairs and did not want to return. The manager gets paid for this work. The support staff also answered the player's questions that he had, for example, in the process of creating a withdrawal request, as well as all subsequent questions. They also received payment for their work. Moreover, in each individual case, to one degree or another, there are costs for chargebacks, anti-fraud, and there is also a not so significant layer of other operational costs.

All these costs (CC) according to our rules can reach 45% of NG for players registered more than 180 days ago.
Let's assume that for this player the above CC amounted to $100, of which $71 are the costs of processing systems.
Let's say the affiliate is active and brought in 9 new players this month, which means his revshare will be 45%

The total is:
CE = 500 (CP) + 100 (CC) = $600
Total income: $765 - $600 = $165
Earnings: $165 x 0.45 = $74.25
As we can see, if we look into the infrastructure and its costs in detail, $74.25 in earnings with a $1000 deposit and $600 withdrawal does not seem out of the ordinary.

We are considering the case when the player has completely lost the money, but there may be a situation when some money remains on the balance and then NG and, accordingly, the partner's earnings will be less. In this case, further options are possible: either the player loses and the partner will be credited with additional earnings, or the player will withdraw the remainder.

We really hope that this example will make the model of forming affiliate earnings more understandable. We will eliminate all statistical problems in the near future. We are also ready to answer all your requests and will explain everything in detail.

Regarding the screenshot provided here as an example: the situation is absolutely real. Several players participate in the formation of this value, and out of these $ 142.65 CE, 100 euros is a bonus to the player (who made deposits in the amount of more than $ 3000) for activity from a personal manager, which at the current rate will be approximately $ 114.

We wish everyone less worries and more earnings!

Moreover, I will tell you, they were of course prepared for the flow of shit addressed to them, and even if you turn yourself inside out, no one will change the working conditions. They will also make you look like fools.

As I see the situation, I will approach the issue from afar. In the distant past, they were a white label of ggs, and the deduction scheme was the same as theirs - a fairly high percentage of deposits minus withdrawals. Then they began to switch to their own solutions. Expenses grew, but in 2013-2016, the casino market in RU was on the rise, and it was possible to survive even with high percentages of affs. I had a personal percentage then, 55 or 60 - I don’t remember, but I poured them a lot. And this, mind you, is a percentage of the deposit minus withdrawals.

The rest is well-known - RKN, the fall of the gambling market in the Russian Federation, and all the rest. But! Azartplay has just gotten going, invested in the rebranding of the affiliate program, entering the European market (along with native-speaking managers), connecting new licenses, and so on and so forth. They even tried to get into the crypto niche with their Mr. Bit on the hype, but they were just a little late. The domain was registered right before the market fell, but that's another story.

In the current situation, you need to balance to stay afloat - both the fish and the fuck in general. The company's current expenses do not allow it to fully pay affiliates 50%+ - this is simply impossible in the long term for legal European casinos on the right software. But they do not want to lower the percentage to a comfortable 30-40%, because they will not be competitive with all the volcanoes and other domestic scripts. So they chose a tactic - to attract affiliates with tempting percentages on legal software, but at the same time attribute a bunch of additional expenses to them.

Because this is Russia, baby! You won't be able to work with quality European brands in the current reality. So choose - legal software with payment for corporate events of the company, or volcanoes. Both are bad.

Hello.
This topic was created to pour out your tears and snot and find support. I ask you right away not to poke your nose at the unfortunate ludics who drain the entire family budget, take out loans, and so on. I know that they exist, but I am not like that. I wanted to register and write for a long time, but it let go, now some kind of edge has come.
So. Vasily, 32 years old. I have my own small business. Alcoholic.
I started tinning like the rest of the generation back in offline Vulcans, while they were in the Russian Federation. What can I say, even earlier. But I won't pour out all the stories from the past. The problem is in the "now".
I'm generally a fairly controlled ludic, with an income of 300k+ per month I upload small amounts (or rather uploaded), got hooked on TTR streams, I really have no complaints, although Andrey seemed to be swearing at all the Vituses for getting people hooked. It's not my business, I think everyone makes their own choice.
Well, I play "for fun" periodically. I started with amounts of about 5k rubles, which is pennies for me, but it got worse. Before, it was just 5k, then it went 5k with additional deposits up to 20-30k. Now everything has gotten worse, sometimes I pour in half a million at a time, and this is after a deposit of 5k. And they say that all ludicrous people do this, but my problem is different. But if you win big, you won't get off. But for me it's the opposite. I have never, NEVER KARL, risen higher than x2 from the deposit. This is some kind of fucking f$$$ing f$$$c. Over the past 2 years, about 5 million have been lost in kazi, I played at a variety of stakes, from the minimum (10-20 rubles) to the space of 400 euros. And not once, NOT ONE FUCKING TIME, have I even increased by x2. It's ridiculous. I watch MT streams and I want to cry, I want to say that all of this is f**king rigged. But I know that it's not. But he wins, for example, several times per stream. And for example, 30 minutes ago I caught 5 scatters in Redstar in Game of Thrones (ofc at the minimum, you can forget about it at normal rates), I think this is fucking happiness! Now there will be a win! At 15 rubles, then catch 3k. But in fact, what? Correct! Bonus for 250 rubles. Koi here gave a super mega win at 40, and in the end everything was drained without outs in 5 minutes. How is that possible? Why couldn't I even increase x2 from the deposit in 2 years? By the way, I've reblocked almost all the kazis, the only choice left is trash and Redstar, that's all. I'll probably block the latter too after the flood. I don't blame kazis, it's my own fault, it's just HOW THE FUCK is this real?
And now the problem is that I have a principle - I need to win at least x500 and I will calm down.
What to do? I want to bring it in and forget about it, or play with my deposits in 5k, but the f$$ was floating there, 5k, 50k, 300k - goodbye.

P.S.: My game doesn't affect the family budget, I'm fine, I'm just fucking offended. Sorry, I shed my tears

Over the last 2 years, I've lost about 5 million in Kazi, I've played at a variety of stakes, from the minimum (10-20 rubles) to the space of 400 euros. And not once, NOT A SINGLE FUCKING TIME, have I even gone up x2. It's ridiculous. I watch MT streams and I want to cry, I want to say that all of this is fucking rigged. But I know that it's not so. But it does, for example, several times per stream. And for example, 30 minutes ago I caught 5 scatters in Redstar in Game of Thrones (ofc at the minimum, you can forget about it at normal stakes), I thought, this is fucking happiness! Now there will be a hit! At 15 rubles, you can catch 3k. But what about the fact? Right! Bonus for 250 rubles. Koi here gave super mega win for 40, but in the end everything was drained without outs in 5 minutes. How is that possible? Why couldn't I even get x2 from the deposit in 2 years?